Guilietto Chiesa: " The film had not been permitted
In America, in Italy only 30 thousand persons have seen
it.
ALEXANDER GORDON: the Channel One welcomes you in studio
of the program "Closed display". My name is
Alexander Gordon.
Today our program is unusual. I will tell you, that it is
the special issue devoted to one seven year old event,
and nevertheless, neither pain of loss, nor horror
in front of perpetrated […][ does not leave our
world at all.
Discussion prior demonstration of the film
I speak, of course, about tragedy which had happened on
September, 11th, 2001 in Manhattan, New York. Seven years
had passed, official investigations of the commission had
been completed, but more and more questions are coming.
Who actually had made it? For whom is it necessary? Who
are those people who have carried out this act of
terrorism? Today we will see Guilietto Chiesa’s film
which is called ‘9/11. Investigation from Zero
Point’, which is offering distinct from official
version of this tragedy. Believe us, we sincerely grieve
and we remember those who lost their lives on that
terrible day, and we are absolutely convinced, that our
attempt to find the truth, whatever it would be, cannot
offend their memory. Allow me to present you now the
creatorr of this film.
A French Journalist, writer, Terry Meyssan who was the
first person who doubted the official version of
investigation. He had written a book, and some strange
history in your life further emerged, do I understand
correctly?
TERRY MEYSSAN, a journalist, writer, and author of the
book ‘September, 11th, 2001. Monstrous fraud’:
Everything was somehow turned over at first. I was
popular enough person in France and suddenly I became the
enemy number one. My book was a success in all
Mediterranean countries. In the United States the answer
was unexpected and sharp enough: I was banned from
participating in TV programs on the US territory, and the
State department of the United States had forbidden my
entry into the States. And then madam Condoleeza Rice had
declared that I was the first source of disinformation in
the world. And [coming] from her, to me it sounded as a
compliment. And an extensive propaganda, an entire
company also had begun around me.
I live in the Near East, I have left France, and I cannot
enter any NATO country because the NATO authorities, the
NATO establishment considers, that I am, so to say, a
safety threat for the United States in the world.
A.GORDON: A publicist, journalist, writer, deputy of
EuroParliament, creator of this film Guilietto Chiesa.
The first question. Was your film shown in America?
GUILIETTO CHIESA, journalist, deputy of EuroParliament,
creator of a documentary ‘9/11. Investigation from
zero Point’:
No.
A.GORDON: Why?
GUILIETTO CHIESA: We have tried to find any distributor
– and haven’t found. But I even can tell, had
not found in Italy. The film has been shown in October of
last year at the international Festival in Rome with the
big success. Practically all critics saw the film and
wrote positively. But right after that some articles
appeared, similar to Meyssan’s story, ‘Coriere
Della Sera’, ‘La Repubblica’ especially,
very poignantly attacked me personally: not my theses,
but me personally. It was a personal charge, a personal
insult. And after that we have not found any distributor
of our film in Italy. We have organised this display
ourselves, for today about 30 thousand persons more or
less saw the film in Italy, but cinema in general…
only small cinema have shown [it].
A.GORDON: Guilietto, well, here now Russian public,
Russians will see this film. Would you not like? You have
a rare possibility, which does not always happen to
creators of a film, to fore-open the viewing by a few
very important words. What should we pay attention to?
Why it is important to you? What do you expect from
viewing eventually?
GUILIETTO CHIESA: An incentive reason - is as Terry told,
we with him have understood at once, that the official
version could not hold any criticism, so to speak. This
simply official investigation does not give an answer to
numerous questions. And as we have understood – I
have understood and also my friends have understood
– that on September, 11th, there was an incredible
turnover of history, and not just... We have understood
that those, who [exactly are they] is unimportant, those
who have organized here this tragedy under the pretext of
a world performance, knew perfectly, that have occurred
in the world. They knew beforehand, their level of
information is very high, their means are the most
powerful. They have won.
I expected right after that there will be an attack on
Iraq. And nobody was thinking yet, that they attack Iraq,
and I knew, that they attack, because it was obvious, it
was a strategy. And thus I have told, I think, it is
necessary to tell it here, but to tell this in words is
impossible. The September, 11th to tell in words is
impossible, because all of us saw with our eyes, and we
all, 2 billion people had an impression, that they saw
the truth. And thus I with my friends have decided to
tell anew the September, 11th with shots. A film. A
unique possibility to reopen the truth, is to show
because of this film.
A.GORDON: Let's see Guilietto Chiesa’s film
together.
When we will return – a very tough discussion awaits
for us as both those whom the official version of the
government of the USA suits quite well as well as
supporters of the new version, that is version of
Guilietto Chiesa, gathered in studio.
DISCUSSION AFTER THE FILM
A.GORDON: In studio of ‘The Closed Viewing’ we
are discussing film by Guilietto Chiesa ‘9/11.
Investigation from Zero Point’ which just ended. In
the film the official version is subjected to proved or
not doubts. But in a film nowhere, and I watched it
attentively almost two times, yes? ,is directly affirmed
that the organizer and the customer of acts of terrorism
was the Government of the United States of America, the
Congress of the United States of America, a certain dark
entity on the territory of the United States of America,
foreign Consul no a word about it. I ask you a question,
lords, who had made it?
ALEXEY PUSHKOV, the author of the program
"Postscriptum", the director of the Institute
of vital international problems at the Diplomatic
Academy: You know, after all there are many structures in
the United States which work out of visibility field. And
I do not even think, that an establishment of the Special
Services was engaged and so on. Who has killed, has
organized the murder of Kennedy?
A.GORDON: I do not know.
A.PUSHKOV: I do not know either And nobody knows for
certain. That means, there was a group of very
influential people, very serious, for whom that was
necessary. Therefore I think that’s why exactly we
have received this official version, that these people
have made in such a manner, that nobody could grasp it.
A.GORDON: So, on the territory of the United States of
America a certain powerful organization operates which is
beyond the government and the White house [level].
A.PUSHKOV: Absolutely unnecessary. It could be the group
in which members of the government, Bush's administration
participated. And the president could not have known
about it personally, for example.
A.GORDON: It very much reminds about Masonic stuff.
A.PUSHKOV: No. And Masonic affairs [what have to do with
this]? The certain goal is set up: to create a critical
mass of public opinion in favour of military actions in
the Middle East and this goal is being achieved.
A.GORDON: That is - did I understand correctly - I will
sum up now for a second, that there is a certain group of
people in the United States of America...
A.PUSHKOV: It is not, it has gathered on this occasion.
A.GORDON: Has gathered on this occasion. But nevertheless
this group holds the strategic plans of development of
the foreign policy of the United States of America and,
as a consequence, behavior of America in the world, and
therefore its well-being too. And this group, having
gathered for some short time, has decided that a turn to
start something that would untie America’s hands had
come?
A.PUSHKOV: Yes.
A.GORDON: I understood, yes. There are opponents of this
opinion.
IRINA ZVJAGELSKAYA, the principal researcher of the
Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of
Sciences: Even if we accept a myth, that AdHoc group
could gather in the United States, so to speak,
unexpectedly, to kill three thousand its own citizens to
become then stuck in Afghanistan, and then - in Iraq, and
then - to bring down its own economy… do you
understand, there is no logic here. It is impossible.
Even if we imagine, that, in general, in the democratic
state we can disagree with the results of conclusions of
this commission. Well, certainly, we can disagree:
someone was rescuing a uniform, someone was explaining
why he was in the wrong place at the wrong time,
was not there, has left to summer residence and so on. It
is all, I cannot understand that three thousand persons
were lost simply because someone needed to enter
Afghanistan.
A.GORDON: It’s clear. Now-now-now. It’s not for
nothing that two more persons are sitting here together
with authors of the film. One of them is Leonid Ivashov,
the author of article ‘Global provocation’
which actually partially entered the film as a
documentary material.
Leonid IVASHOV, the president of Academy of Geopolitical
Problems, retired General-Colonel of the Russian Army:
Understand, to accuse here only Americans and even
Administration that is, by the way, not present in the
film, someone from Americans speaks there about their
government. But we do understand completely, that there
are forces of transnational, transcontinental character
which can order this action, and pay for that.
A.GORDON: I understand nothing.
L.IVASHOV: Well, for example, what is a global drug
mafia? An annual turnover of drug mafia, you only ponder,
is one triillion dollars. What is the shadow world
financial system when there are 360, 370 families which
supervise up to 40 percent, and today it is considered
even more, of world’s finances? That is, here is who
really could order [that]. Who could be an executor?
Today we know about private military corporations, there
are more than 200, their annual turnover is about 250
billion dollars. But less is written about Special
Services’ private corporations. And thus only these
people in a combination [with] private military
corporations and Special Services’ private
corporations, could execute this action.
‘Al Qaeda’, you know, is generally a
primitive organization, but spilled all over the world.
Special Services of all countries strictly observe
Al-Qaeda cells, and first of all from the Islamic world.
And even in Saudi Arabia they are under the control. And
to organize here an operation having [at disposal] these
diverse, primitive enough forces, such an operation,
which as though has turned development of mankind in
other direction, is impossible.
A.GORDON: Special Services of the USA and the government
of the USA were well informed? In all details.
L.IVASHOV: I think, no. President did not know, maybe,
someone in administration could be involved through
former colleagues who are in private corporations. Just
as Fon Buroff, author of one of interesting books, in my
opinion, writes, that 32 governmental services should
have operated synchronously. That means people should be
inserted there, or be present there, or be paid for that
somewhere.
A.GORDON: And ‘Al-Qaeda is incapable of doing so,
from your point of view?
L.IVASHOV: Yes, without any doubt, they can not do that.
A.GORDON: Thanks. I wish to present one more person who
appeared among authors and that too was not casual,
Vitaly Tretjakov. The first Russian journalist, which has
seen this film, and thanks to his diligence in many
respects [film] is now in Russia and we even see it on
the Channel One.
VITALY TRETJAKOV, the editor-in-chief of magazine
‘Political Class’, the dean of faculty ‘TV
Higher School’ of the Moscow State University: And a
question about the one who is the organizer of events on
September, 11th, is a question of a belief. For a long
time I work as a political journalist, as a political
analyst, and I have to tell, that in the politics
everything is possible. Something that seems in a
ordinary life impossible, if to start with moral
[standards], and norms of an ordinary life, here in the
politics everything is possible. This is the first, that
calls the official version into question. I do not trust
much even to our own government, anyway not always and
not in everything, and especially I do not have any basis
to trust the American government. Further I am afraid,
that I am one of the few persons in this audience who
actually did read the report of the National commission
on investigation of terrorist attacks on the USA on 11th
of September 2001. But I assure you, Guilietto
knows, that this is a work of art, it is a novel. I can
simply quote places which would be impossible to name
differently but as a fiction, and a postmodernist one.
That is, after having read this book, in a Russian
translation it had been released in 2004, I have
understood especially, that it [presents] not an
objective analysis of what has occurred. And the third
[thing]. In the physics it is known, that experiment is
valid if any other researcher can repeat it. I address
those who sit here in this studio, representatives of
Special Services, former or current. Tell us please here,
that Special Service in which you work or any other
special service of the world, can it organize similar act
of terrorism? Is it basically capable to reproduce, to
repeat it? I understand that it is an awful experiment,
the second one, and it would be good if it was not. But
until any other Special Service will carry out similar in
effect - level of accuracy, scale of operation, I will
not believe, that it has been perpetrated by a handful
of19 or even 119 representatives of al-Qaeda’
A.GORDON: It is possible Vladimir Rubanov
will try to answer your question? As an representative of
Special Services. I will introduce to our audience the
former chief of the Analytical Department of KGB of the
USSR.
VLADIMIR RUBANOV, the former chief of the Analytical
Department of KGB of the USSR: To everything l I can tell
that operations of that type are possible. It is for
the first. Secondly, I do not see here something
extraordinary. Well, three planes have blown up three
houses. This the first. The second. Institute of
Standards which conducted investigation… That means,
if it puts an incorrect signature in the Conclusion
Report? It means, it will not receive futher contracts
for examination. Therefore people who are there have a
little bit differing moral. To consider that those people
who have made this, that someone has ordered them and
they have forged the Final Report, I simply know a little
bit experts’ communities, both domestic, and foreign
ones, I do not believe it. Besides, the other party could
not answer those doubts which have been presented in this
film. When, for example, attack on Pentagon is being
discussed. People have an impression, that the plane
– a hole there is small. [Plane’s] wings should
ram through it. Pardon me, a plane’s wing is not [a
cangaroo’s rack] in a car, it is a very weak
construction. Therefore that wings of planes are folded
– there were cases when in flights wings were
folded.
A.GORDON: Why the official version is not brought forth
in your film by anybody from officials?
GUILIETTO CHIESA: Within last seven years we heard only
the official version and consequently we know it by
heart. And there is the document, 500 pages - there
wasn’t any necessity [for doing that]. We know, all
others have already have told, have written, have
published and also we know that each time when we were to
make our arguments, [we were facing] closed doors.
All Terry Meyssan’s history and my history, and the
film history demonstrate that they do not want our voice
to be heard. Secondy. We can analyze episodes of plane
AA-77 which as if was at the Pentagon, from different
perspectives. One of these is a protection. It is shown
in a film that the Pentagon and the White House are very
sturdily protected. That means, there are different
systems. One of these arguments is that a civil plane,
not having a military transponder, could not even come
near the Pentagon. The plane has no military transponder.
Moreover, its transponder is not present in a film, but I
can add – [transponder] is varied every day. It is a
coded transponder. How could, I set up a question here,
how terrorists could get to the Pentagon, without having
military transponder, without knowing a coded
[identification] system? This is an open question. When
reading this book you will not find any answer to this
question. I can make 150 likewise examples. Not just one.
150 examples how they have worked.
A.GORDON: Terry.
T.MEYSSAN: I feel that our attitude is somewhat wrong.
Because the official version is not present. Because the
investigationhas not been conducted and there had not
been ever any official documents. And there is a document
which comes from the independent commission. But this
commission is independent from the Congress because it
had been appointed by the president of the United States,
and it had to confirm the governmental version, but not
the official one. We all lack debates, there is a lack of
a discussion, the real discussion. Moreover, as the
United States had taken an obligation that such debates
will take place and that everythingl will be, but they
have been obliged to present a contradictory report, but
this had not been done.
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M.LEONTIEV: The Film destroys the official version
V.HOTINENKO: Cinematographers offered different versions
of apocalyptic events. And here it it has turned into our
reality. It is a payment for games with a reality"
A.GORDON: In studio ‘The Closed Viewing’ we
continue very tough discussion of Guilietto Chiesa’s
film ‘9/11. Investigation from Zero Point’.
There are more versions who benefited from it; who
is behind it and why the film looks convincing and
unconvincing?
MICHAEL LEONTIEV, the TV presenter of the Channel One,
the editor-in-chief of magazine ‘Profile’: In
general, the film by itself destroys the official
version, creating more than questions than providing
answers. As I understand film’s goal is somewhat
different – to encourage raising questions and who
benefits from it? Well here it was said that it is
a freemasonry, it is considered, that there is such
power behind Bush’s back. In my opinion freemasonry
considers that Bush, Sara Palin or those people have the
power – is actually ridiculous. And to speak three
thousand persons died? Well, great president Roosevelt
has plugged the United States in the Second World War,
having organized ‘Pearl Harbor’. Because the
bid was huge, the bid was to win the whole world, and he
did it, yes? He had plugged, had simply [been a traitor
to] it, had practically enticed Japanese. How many people
died there – I do not remember statistics. Seven
years had passed here, therefore we can make a political
expertise.
And political examination makes the official version
absolutely completely unpersuasive, it disavows it. Here
there are three moments, in political expertise. I do not
even need to question any technical specifications –
whether a house had blown up, or whether planes have
actually flown with those or these Arabs or not Arabs,
yes? The first. The single unique act, one. Some
organization had made an absolutely fantastic
coordination action, yes? And it continues to exist,
there it struggles, it kills, it holds the American army
in two countries of the world, yes? And while there is no
more [terrorist] acts on the territory of the United
States. They what, have fallen in love with the United
States, this mythical organization, if any? No a single
act! Absence of at least one repeated [terrorist] act is
the proof of [the fact] that the first one was a forgery.
The second. What for? It was so favorable to the United
States, to the certain circles connected to this
administration, without any doubt, so favorable, that
simply it is even necessary. An economic situation, a
political situation, it is possible to list some
parameters. It was all obvious that something should
crush to jump out from this crisis, the mechanism should
appear how to get out of crisis from which to get out is
impossible. They cannot get out of it till now, but
meanwhile the mechanism is rescuing them. And the third
moment. All people who are registered as fictitious or
real organizers of this [terrorist] act, all people were
under the control of the American Special Services, all
of them. Some are simply directly accessible agents,
others – are obvious and were under constant
control. These circumstances are enough [evidence] to...
Besides, we have a proof of an inconsistency of the
official version. The proof is presented in a film, it
simply crushes.
MICHAEL HAZIN, the economist: I have written about
inevitability of large acts of terrorism against the
United States of America which will be ‘cast’
on Ben Laden, on September, 10th, 2001. Well, then on
September, 10th, 2001, I I followed the following logic.
The first. Economic data for the month of August were
catastrophic. They have been promulgated after September,
11th, but they were known to the authorities [before].
Also it was absolutely clear that it was necessary to
change considerably a liberal model of management of
economy to a, well, roughly speaking, a direct
hand-control. This is the first. And here is the thing
essentially important and it is worth it. And the second.
For the United States of America, for them
destruction, destruction of their own people, are
standard mode of the decision-making [process] of
the important state problems. In 1898 a war with
Spain was necessary to them, they blow up an own
battleship Maine on spot-check near Havana. ‘Pearl
Harbor’ was mentioned by Misha already. Incident in
the Tankissky gulf - they blow up their own cruiser. It
is a norm of behaviour of the American elite: when they
need a result, lives of own citizens is not a problem for
them. And therefore I also have written, they
desperatedly needed a clause to radically change economic
policy was. It is the serious reason.
ALEXANDER SHARAVIN, the Director of the Institute of the
Political and Military Analysis: I am familiar with that
book about which Vitaly Toevich spoke too, I should tell,
that I have a lot of questions. I am not an admirer of
this version, of this concept. But I should tell, that
something that has been shown to us, causes many
questions too. I will make just two examples. Well, for
example, it is said there, that the plane had burnt down,
there are no remains – and that means it could not
have happened. I for example had seen a plane with my own
eyes a plane, a big military plane, a bomber which had
burnt down, anything practically did not remain from it.
G. CHIESA: ‘In the USA all slept
simultaneously, nobody reacted within two hours’
R. MEDVEDEV: "I do not believe that terrorists
managed to direct the plane on the Pentagon. Also I do
not believe that CIA has destroyed officers of the
Pentagon to receive political dividends"
A.GORDON: And here it you have mentioned a very important
theme which is a point of discussion. I insist on it. How
much virtual is our reality in which we live if you allow
us to live in it by those rules. But we as well as
millions and billions of other people, we saw it on
screens of our TVs. And here this framework, it gave such
moment of unreality and distancing, all of us looked at
some already fixed reality all the same. Here Vladimir
Suhoj was the eyewitness, he was there during those
moments. Can you tell us a few words?
VLADIMIR SUKHOI, TV journalist, former manager of a
bureau of the Channel One in the USA: Yes, Alexander, I
was near the Pentagon in 20 minutes after it happened,
and in a week I was already in New York. And to me any
fact from this film is perceived as not new. And I wish
to tell, that everything, that has occurred, was [as if
staged] by Stanislavsky – do you believe it or not.
Authors of this film do not believe. And if you were
burning in this fire and if people ran behind your back
and you heard those shouts and if you then saw in the
neighboring houses in New York plane armchairs; if you
saw fused gold cross on a small church let which is in
the street Barclay and the First avenue, from this fire
and from this temperature. And when you saw relatives and
talked to them, and when you filmed all of it with the
operator, today you cannot betray yourself and tell, that
it did not happen. You were together with these people,
you burnt ion this fire and you can’t not believe in
it.
A.GORDON: I well understand your emotional condition, and
we began from a standpoint that we gave absolutely
sincerely a memory tribute, but we now sort not
‘what was – and what was not’. It
happened, obviously, everyone saw this, it happened, it
changed the world, yes? Today we actually try to answer
one uneasy question: it was, because in the world
everything is already authorised, it was staged, planned
and executed by people who are responsible for Safety,
those who were there? And it was as according to the
official version, it was made by a small group of Arabs
which were suddenly demonstrated miracles of an
ingenuity, sharpness, who synchronized all services of
the USA and have achieved their goals? It has been made,
because the moment of leaving a reality for this created
by someone, by some forces, reality, so that we could not
distinguish one from another, we do live in such a world,
have been created in a real-life? Here we try to answer
this question.
G. CHIESA: We can discuss infinitely the destruction of
two towers. But when is, I spoke with Rodriguez who told
‘I heard an explosion [prior] to the plane. I have
participated in the commission behind the closed doors.
And then I open the book and I donot find my testimony. I
gave names of 22 witnesses – no one from them has
been heard. Why?’ Here is the certificate of
lie. I think, that those who has thought up all this
operation, perfectly knew functioning of mass media
novadays. There could not be any Osama bin Laden or
primitive, as it appears, there were such people. And
here there are people who perfectly know psychology of
masses and firstly, know how mass media do operate. They
know, that as soon as mainstream media gives
explanations, billions of people will apprehend these
explanations as a fact, definitively, how all of it
occurred.
A.GORDON: In the initial version the film went on for 2,5
hours, yes? If to you were told that you have exactly 30
seconds, a 30-second flash. What facts from revealed by
you would you find incontestable the most? What you would
put into these 30 seconds.
G. CHIESA: It is impossible, that the most powerful
country in the world has no ability to be protected
within two hours from such an attack. It is necessary to
learn, it is necessary to recognise, that all slept
simultaneously, leaders were absent, the decisions have
not been made, nobody has reacted, nobody knew anything.
All of it we were proving– was a lie. It is
incontestable already: I consider it, and consequently I
would tell so where there were in the United States
during those two hours, they have disappeared, we can
really believe, that the United States of America within
two hours have disappeared – it is a history in
which it is simply impossible to believe. How to tell
this….
A.GORDON: Terry, here is exactly the same question to
you. Yes?
T.MEYSSAN: the plane linear is not present, civil one,
which would break into the Pentagon. Even this hole is
too small for the plane to make it. That is - all see
that it is impossible. And even a child can understand
it. That is - a plane will not enter this hole. And in
the United States the explanation company to this fact
had been arranged. The explanation was that the burning
temperature was so high that the fuselage itself has
turned into gas and consequently nothing had been found
on spot. Also [they] have asked families of victims to
write that I hate those who had organized it. And
families have reflected. They had been given urns for
funerals with ashes and with the big note to identify
these ashes.
A.GORDON: As I sense, we have reached the main question.
It has appeared that the events of September 2001, events
of August 2008 force us to think that we live during such
time when with the same facts, reaching the point of
irrationality, with the same video images, different
forces, manipulating, create different realities. And
with [untrained] eyes, as it appears even with
armed [eyes], to distinguish one reality from other it is
practically impossible.
A.GORDON: In studio ‘The Closed Viewing’ we
continue discussion of Guilietto Chiesa’s film
‘9/11. Investigation from Zero Point’. Today in
21st century the simple person cannot answer for himself
simple questions, in what world do I live? What is good
in this world, and what is bad? What is possible in this
world, and what is impossible? What should I be afraid
of, who should I love? Someday we will reach again
simple human statements: this is black, this is white?
Yes, Roy Aleksandrovich. Please.
DIG MEDVEDEV, the historian: Well, I think, that we will
not live till such times. Because the absolute truth as
you have told, [the truth] in the last instance does not
exist or it is unattainable anyway. I have seen this film
with enormous interest. In this film one episode is
shown. Ben Laden with one beard and Ben Laden with other
beard. The conclusion is also made, whether did Ben Laden
exist in general at all? Well, after all there is a whole
branch of criminalistics which studies possibilities of
changing one’s appearance. Journalist is not capable
to get to the notch and the spectator of this film is not
capable to get to the notch. Such questions should be
answered by expert community which has certain methods.
A.GORDON: Well here [in studio] an expert community sits.
We can count two architects and two technologists, yes?
They cannot come to one point of view. Yes even if they
will come to any point of view, interpretation of this
fact remains out of their competence all the same. All
the same there will be a person who will interpret this
fact established by them in some way.
R.MEDVEDEV: We even now, and in the future finally should
bring an attention to the question ‘I believe or I
do not believe’. Here I can tell you what I believe
and what I do not. It is improbably difficult to believe
that it was possible to terrorists to direct a heavy
plane at the Pentagon building, having overcome
absolutely all security levels. It is improbably
difficult to believe in it. But it is absolutely
impossible to believe for me, that it had been CIA
American Service which had destroyed one hundred officers
of the Pentagon to receive some political dividends. I am
absolutely not capable to believe in it.
A.GORDON: Yes, a problem only that the plane has fallen,
under the statement of the official commission, it equals
to that wing of the Pentagon which was in repair at that
time. There was nobody there.
GAYDAR DZHEMAL, the chairman of Islamic Committee of
Russia: Well here you heard condemnation of banal
theories of complot. But firstly, it would be desirable
to ascertain, that the very theme of ‘Al-Qaeda’
in the international network is the complot theory. That
is here, so to say, a question of belief of disbelief.
And here I think that here we should approach the most
problem spot of this film. By a large margin the main
problem posed by a question who stands up behind it, not
in how these buildings have collapsed, but in one who
technically conducted these planes? Because planes
certainly were there. And certainly an argument that
primitive people and so on could not co-ordinate all of
this, it is a good argument at the initial stage. But if
we go deep into this. In a film it is said, that it were
agents of CIA. Perfectly. But agents of CIA – are
not shahids, they do not sacrifice themselves. They are
agents of CIA who work for a payment, for what reason
should they become kamikaze? Where is their ideological
motivation? The question is that in a film [authors] have
not touched as it seems to me, a very much important
point: till now lists of victims are kept secret. Till
now the theme of concrete human presence is virtualized.
A.GORDON: Lists of victims in planes, you mean?
DZHEMAL: Well, yes.
A.GORDON: Those passengers who were in planes.
DZHEMAL: Yes. The matter is that there is no necessity to
get 19 persons onboard of planes and it, by the way,
solves a question how a heavy plane gets to a tower. A
computer which is an autopilot, constantly works with the
satellite. Also there is a hacker’s influence on
this computer which transforms any plane with an
autopilot, into a self-directed rocket. It is very
simple, if you have codes. And the second moment is a
picture at the flight controller’s possession.
Arcan, a known Serbian military Intelligence agent, and
the double agent of CIA, in 1995 had collected in Belgrad
a meeting of experts, scientific experts of the former
Warsaw pact on questions specially about computer
maintenance of flight controllers to be able to receive
on screens of flight controllers a picture of normal
situations while these planes fly anywhere. If you
through a code – and the government has these codes
– enter into the computer of the autopilot, no
terrorists onboard are necessary to you.
A.GORDON: you saw the film What did change?
V. HOTINENKO: You know, I probably as many here. When it
was repeated as a spell ‘the World has
changed’, ‘the World after September, 11th has
changed’, I had an absolute sensation that it has
changed. And by the way, I then have believed, that 19
have made it. Then, during that moment, on that wave
– as it has been calculated – I have believed,
as any obuvatel’ believed, for some time, short
enough. And I thought, that it has changed. And then I
have understood, and viewing of this film has helped me
that actually it has changed before that. It was faster
detection of that, it was revealed, it has been shown,
that it had changed. But unfortunately, it has changed
earlier. It is simply ascertaining of facts.
A.GORDON: Not all experts in our studio had possibility
to express themselves. Now we will give one. But only it
will be very short, yes?
ANATOLY PANOV, Doctor of Political Sciences, Professor:
Dear colleagues, here in front of us there are two
courageous persons, which were the first who have raised
a voice against this official version, that is: against
mass zombing, against zombing of millions of people to
accept one version to which we are constantly brought.
This is the first. The second. Today’s destruction,
manipulation of consciousness – let’s honor and
praise them, we will do to their justice. And the third.
During whole our conversation it has not been mentioned
that these buildings for some short time interval have
been bought up and insured for the huge sum. And plus on
the Internet there was a prevention to certain persons
not to appear in this building.
A.GORDON: Thanks. Thanks you. Please.
I.ZVJAGELSKAJA: I have to tell that the film has
afflicted me. Has afflicted because it presupposes
possibility of such cynicism and possibility of such, so
to say, mockeries not only at own citizens, but also at
all world public opinion, that after it, if it is the
truth, – it has not convinced me, that it is the
truth – but if it is the truth, simply it is not
necessary to live in this world.
A.GORDON: That means. That means... To survive in this
world, you will personally destroy this truth from
yourselves in all possible ways?
I.ZVJAGELSKAJA: No. No. I to survive in this world, I
will be doubting. And it is normal for each thinking
person.
A.GORDON: In all versions or only in this?
I.ZVJAGELSKAJA: In all.
A.GORDON: Thanks... Please.
M. LEONTIEV: Well, intelligent person Colin Powell has
apologized, that he lied on the United Nations tribune,
that means, swinging a test tube with unknown white
substance. It is not terrible to you to live? Well there,
of course, not Americans died, hundreds of thousand
Iraqis perish till today, on the basis that the
intelligent lovely person, well-brought up Powell lied,
he has apologized.. Everything is normal. To live is not
terrible, yes? Well, it is a shame to uter something
concerning that engines and wings folded. Well strength
characteristics of elements of engines. Well, I have
grown since childhood, my daddy was bringing these pieces
and these partss from factory, so they what, were
dissolved? Engine shovels were dissolved? Well what do
you speak about? It is simply a plain nonsense! A
delirium of a grey mare! As to a film. The film gave me
some technical arguments, there is a lot of questions
which arise, and in general sticking to a theme which,
well, strictly speaking, does not require technical
arguments for me, though they are always useful, yes?
Because I tell once again, except technical arguments
there are logic arguments. A journalist should not only
pull on a string different facts, yes? He still should be
able to analyze and not to give himself to be
manipulated. This is very important. Guilietto Chiesa is
the good journalist.
V. SUKHOI: There are good questions which excited and
excite me till now. But! A good journalist should not
afford something given. Guilietto Chiesa is a good
journalist, and he should not allow himself to string
facts on the same skewer. It is inadmissible for a good
journalist. It seems to me, that there is [one] America
till September, 11th and [another one] - after September,
11th. And tragedy of America that till September, 11th it
it was the most careless country in the world. To anybody
even in his most feverous delirium it could not seem that
it can happen with this country. Including Bush who was
in Florida and who watched for seven minutes a book about
a goat,.
DZHEMAL: I support that thesis, that today the
information is under the hardest pressure, that the world
community, world establishment destroys the truth,
presses the truth and exterminates the truth, and it
finds a refuge in such books as ‘Monstrous
fraud’ and in such film as ‘Zero’. But I
should notice that here this film, it testifies that a
certain part of people awakes to resist to lies and
hypocrisy of official system, official establishment. The
heroic will. Since 2001, I, being directly acquainted
with Terri Meyssan, observe his struggle and I am very
glad that his word of honor and word of honor of Chiesa
left for a new level of exposure of this film.
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A.Pushkov: ‘We have entered an epoch of Death of the
information, we live during an epoch of political
manipulation’
A.Gordon: ‘the Truth or attempt to come nearer
to the truth can be offensive under no
circumstances’.
Managed to find the Russian version (at
least I'm pretty sure I did - unfortunately I don't speak
Russian - Google translate to the rescue):
"Hintergrund"
is being sold at newsstands in Germany since September 5,
2008
The 68-page newsmagazine will be
published every 3 months. It features authors who are
covering
international events and their ramifications on current
politics, interviews with MP Yukihisa Fujita from Japan
and Peter Dale Scott as well as a translation of an
article from Michel Chossudovsky titled "The CIA and
Al Qaida"
Author Jürgen Elsässer covers the terror events in
Madrid, London and in Germany.
Another in depth article proves the numerous
inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.
The price of the magazin is 4.40 Euro
Content.
9/11 - The Event and its
Contradictions by Ronald Thoden
The Consequences of 9/11
by Regine Naeckel
Gleiwitz and No End - Staged
Terror and Lies as Preparation To War by Horst
Schäfer
CIA and Al-Qaida by
Michal Chossudovsky
Nobody knows the Sources of
Al-Qaida Threats by Markus Jansohn
The 9/11 Report on the Test Bench
by Sebastian Range
Main Opposition Party in Japan
Questions the Official Version of 9/11 Interview
with Yukihisa Fujita
Europe the Target of Terror -
Dangerous Double-Cross of the Intelligence Apparatus by
Jürgen Elsässer
On the Path to War and Emergency
Rule by Jürgen Elsässer
Getting used to the Military
Operations inside Germany by Helmut Lorscheid
Obama vs. McCain - Change we can
believe in or not by Knut Mellentin
The tip of an Iceberg "To
erase from the map" by Fikentscher/Neumann
Cold War in the Arctic
by Harald Neuber
Financial Crises and Current
Geopolitics by Hauke Ritz
"I am listed as a terrorist
supporter" Interview with Peter Dale Scott
the next issues of the magazin and the
online edition will also cover:
Monsanto - US-election - WTO and how the
rich profit from World Trade - Media Manipulation -
Military Industrail Complex - Coup `Etats and MKUltra -
Depleted Uranium Weapons - The EU-Lisbon Treaty - The
Caucasus Conflict - Operation Tibet - G( Protests and its
consequences -
The Creek has no sports section, no
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investigative journalism from world-class reporters like
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Roberts.
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MORE:
DEMANDS FOR AN
INDEPENDENT INTERNATIONAL 9/11 INVESTIGATION
The attacks of 9/11 are used as the
central justification for the war on Afghanistan and Iraq
in which
hundreds of thousands of innocent people have already
been killed or displaced.
Well documented evidence shows that the official
explanation of 9/11 can not be correct.
Hundreds of international personalities in science,
politics, and culture, including high-ranking military
veterans,
have repeatedly called for a new international
investigation.
A new independent 9/11 investigation has been called for
by 2 presidential candidates for the 2008 election
Cynthia MyKinney, former 6-term democratic Congresswoman
from Georgia, nominee for the Green Party LINK
Ralph Nader, candidate for the Presidency of the United
States in five elections
and by 3 politicians who just recently pulled out of the
race for the US-Presidency
Ron Paul, veteran republican Congressman,
Mike Gravel, former Democratic United States Senator from
Alaska.
Dennis Kucinich, member of Congress from
Ohio
Further politicians, who are explicitly demanding a new
9/11 investigation are:
Jesse Ventura, a former Governor of Minnesota
Cindy Sheehan, US-anti-war activist, challenging House
Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the 2008 elections.
Senator Karen S. Johnson, elected member of the Arizona
State Legislature Videolink
Paul Hellyer, former Minister of National Defense of
Canada,
Libby Davies Canadian Member of Parliament
Michael Meacher, former Minister for the Environment in
the cabinet of Tony Blair. Videolink
Tony Benn, former Minister of Technology and longest
serving MP in the history of the Labour party
Andreas von Buelow, former Minister of Research and
Technology, Germany
Giulietto Chiesa, an italian member of the EU Parliament.LINK
Berit Ås, a former Member of Parliament in Norway
Mahathir bin Mohamad, former Prime Minister of Malysia
from 1981 to 2003.LINK
In Germany a group of politicians call
for a new 9/11 investigation as well .Members of local
and regional councils as well as two members of the
german national parliament have signed a declaration, in
which they call for the impeachment of G.W.Bush and Dick
Cheney, criminalization of war as a means of conflict
resolution and military withdrawal from Afghanistan and
Iraq. In the second point of the declaration they call
for an international investigation of the
September 11, 2001 terror attacks: Heike Hänsel, Member of German
parliament (MdB)
Dr. Axel Troost, Member of German parliament (MdB)
Stefan Ziller, Member of Berliner Abgeordnetenhauses
B90/Grüne
Florian Jansen, city councilor DIE LINKE in Kiel
Thomas Reinert, Chair B90/Grüne Kreisverband Coesfeld
Ingrid Zimmermann, city councilor DIE LINKE in Kiel
Barbara Scheller, Landratskandidatin der GRÜNEN Link
Carsten Labudda, politician, DIE LINKE in Weinheim Link
Martina Knappert-Hiese, B90/Die Grünen Kreisverband
Bodenseekreis
Renate Flühr, district chapter DIE LINKE in Heidelberg
Karl-W. Koch, Speaker LAG Ökologie B90/Grüne RLP
Hillesheim
Ulrich Lenz, Chair DIE LINKE ( Left Party) Rhein-Lahn
Günter Skupin - Delegierter für den Landesparteirat
district chapter Rhein-Hunsrück-Kreis Link
Renate Bahr, co-founder der GRÜNEN in Österreich
Gaby Bermreuther, Chair DIE LINKE ( Left Party) in
Freiburg
Brigitte Ostmeyer, Chair Die LINKE in Holzgerlingen
Marcus Menzel member of county council, Bautzen
Wolfgang Schmitt, deputy Freie Linke in Trier
Sabine Schwenk, district chapter DIE LINKE Alzey-Worms
Roger Mallmenn, Chair DIE LINKE ( Left Party)
Rhein-Hunsrück-Kreis Link
Margarete Skupin, Deputy Chair DIE LINKE ( Left Party)
district chapter Rhein-Hunsrück-Kreis Link
Helene von Kolontay, DIE LINKE district chapter Daun
Jo Biermanski, Die Linke LAG Hessen in Alsfeld
Wolf Theilacker councilman, Bündnis90/Greens - Heilbronn
Rick Thürnagel Chair Jusos Hamburg
Statements of numerous other
international politicians who questioned 9/11, without
demanding a new nvestigation in particular can be found
at the website www.patriotsquestion911.com
Yukihisa
Fujita, a member of Parliament for the Democratic
Party of Japan in January and April 2008 made statements at the
House of Councillors, the national parliament of Japan, in
his function as one of the directors of the Japanese
Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee. He demanded
further investigations and questions about 9/11 to be
answered. His lengthy presentations were broadcasted live
nationwide on Japanese NHK television.The Democratic
Party of Japan is the main opposition party, holds a
majority in the Upper House of Parliament and has 36 % of
the seats in the Lower House, the more powerful house.
Mr. Fujitas calls for a new investigation is backed by
his party, that tries to topple the ruling party LPD in
the near future. There are even members within the LPD,
who are in favour of new investigations.
Yukihisa Fujita is currently working to form an
international coalition to demand an independent,
international 9/11 investigation.He just returned from
his second trip to Europe this year and has been in
contact with several politicians.
There has been information, that in the
british and italian parliaments several more deputies are
willing to speak out, once a joint declaration has been
prepared.
Already in 2006 Venezuela's legislative National Assembly
passed a resolution by the unanimous vote of its
167-members.
Drafted by the deputy chairman of the Foreign Affairs
Commission, Carlos Escarrá, the resolution asked the
U.S. Congress in its fourth paragraph to ``demand that
the government of President Bush explain the
self-inflicted attack on the World Trade Center and its
victims, the supposed aircraft that crashed into the
Pentagon and the links between the bin Laden family and
the Bush family.''
Asked how the legislature had reached that conclusion,
Escarrá said that ''evidence and testimonies'' had
emerged in the United States and that ''for the rest of
the world, there is no longer any question'' that 9/11
was not an al Qaeda attack. LINK
The cuban newspaper Granma
on the anniverary of 9/11 in 2007 published a statement
by Fidel Castro. The cuban leader said the U.S.
government misinformed Americans and the world about
9/11. "We were fooled like the rest of the planet's
inhabitants," he wrote.The Cuban government
originally condemned the September 11 attacks on New York
and Washington hours after they occurred.. LINK
These global calls for a new independent investigation by
various politicians are also reflected
in several public opinion polls conducted in the USA and
other countries.
Documentaries, interviews, and TV shows sharing the
demand for investigations have been shown on TV in
several countries around the world. Most prominent was a
CNN show, profoundly questioning the 9/11 event, that ran
for 3 nights in March of 2007, then came C-SPANs repeat
broadcasting of an 9/11 truth conference and Rosie
McDonnell asking serious questions in her show aired on
ABC, until she finally lost her contract. In
September the 9/11 documentary ZERO, produced by EU
parliamentarian Giulietto Chiesa and supported among
others by Dario Fo will be shown on russian TV.
Additionally there are hundreds of international
newspaper articles that reported on serious doubts about
9/11 archived at: www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=media
Respected academics, scientists, architects and other
professionals in many countries back these demands
through persistent research.
More international supporters and voices from various
professional, academic and political backgrounds are
listed at these websites: www.patriotsquestion911.org www.war-is-illegal.org
A very large group of
architects and engineers who question the official
explanation of the 3 WTC towers on 9/11 and demand new
investigations are organized in a group called www.ae911truth.org
The present policy of warfare has to change towards a
policy of reconciliation and development.
To make this happen we need to ask these questions and
have them evaluated by an independent international
investigation ino 9/11
